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		<title>By: blogHelper &#187; Shameless Promotion 101</title>
		<link>http://www.jimboykin.com/seo-content-creation-services-a-ceo-post/#comment-4044</link>
		<dc:creator>blogHelper &#187; Shameless Promotion 101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clearly, there are many motives to make what Jim Boykin calls &#8220;CEO Posts&#8221; (though what I&#8217;m talking about is broader than this). [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.jimboykin.com/seo-content-creation-services-a-ceo-post/#comment-3845</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just eating popcorn reading all this. 
We're all good....everything everyone is saying is getting my wheels turning. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just eating popcorn reading all this.<br />
We&#8217;re all good&#8230;.everything everyone is saying is getting my wheels turning. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

I wasn't sure what happened to my original post as I get an error (from my proxy not your site) when I click "Submit Comment".
I'm sorry you viewed my comments as "cutting" criticism when they were not meant to be. I have found a lot of interesting information on your blog and I hope to continue to do so.
I was just pointing out that you had your CEO hat on and as such were linking your blog to your company.
As you point out, there are some deficiencies in $250/Day but this is my personal blog and a fairly light hearted look at the world of Internet Marketing - $250/Day is my personal goal for automatic income from advertising/affiliate/etc. As MD of a UK IT Company I make considerably more that that from my "desk job" ;)
If you still feel that my post was unwarranted, send me an email and I will delete it - no problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t sure what happened to my original post as I get an error (from my proxy not your site) when I click &#8220;Submit Comment&#8221;.<br />
I&#8217;m sorry you viewed my comments as &#8220;cutting&#8221; criticism when they were not meant to be. I have found a lot of interesting information on your blog and I hope to continue to do so.<br />
I was just pointing out that you had your CEO hat on and as such were linking your blog to your company.<br />
As you point out, there are some deficiencies in $250/Day but this is my personal blog and a fairly light hearted look at the world of Internet Marketing - $250/Day is my personal goal for automatic income from advertising/affiliate/etc. As MD of a UK IT Company I make considerably more that that from my &#8220;desk job&#8221; <img src='http://www.jimboykin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
If you still feel that my post was unwarranted, send me an email and I will delete it - no problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Grokodile</title>
		<link>http://www.jimboykin.com/seo-content-creation-services-a-ceo-post/#comment-3842</link>
		<dc:creator>Grokodile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abhilash, let's agree to disagree.

I feel that your post illustrates my point.  I don't find that About has much to offer, generally as I'm sure they do have good sections.  Instead, these landing pages or money pages draw people to the site, but they don't really offer the user anything.

They exist to bring them in, but leave them hungry for real content, forcing them to click on the links present... earning Adsense revenue or such for somebody.

I will concede that it works.  I will concede that it is a good way to make money.  I will concede that people don't want to see an entire x000 word writeup on one page -- but how difficult is it to show it in a paged format anyway?

My contention remains that real information does not arrive in convenient little 300-500 word chunks.

Heck, maybe we are in agreement on most issues, except the desirability, because we are looking at it from different points of view.

In any case, I'm not too interested in blowing up Jim's comment area either... ;)

Jim, I will say that if your crew is as least writing accurate blurbs of whatever size, as I expect will be the case, that will be a huge step up in service compared to the free article repositories out there, or the cheapie article producers, which are set to be the downfall of Google if they don't find a way to stop ranking such inaccurate and poorly written material above professionally created content.

Regards,
Grok</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abhilash, let&#8217;s agree to disagree.</p>
<p>I feel that your post illustrates my point.  I don&#8217;t find that About has much to offer, generally as I&#8217;m sure they do have good sections.  Instead, these landing pages or money pages draw people to the site, but they don&#8217;t really offer the user anything.</p>
<p>They exist to bring them in, but leave them hungry for real content, forcing them to click on the links present&#8230; earning Adsense revenue or such for somebody.</p>
<p>I will concede that it works.  I will concede that it is a good way to make money.  I will concede that people don&#8217;t want to see an entire x000 word writeup on one page &#8212; but how difficult is it to show it in a paged format anyway?</p>
<p>My contention remains that real information does not arrive in convenient little 300-500 word chunks.</p>
<p>Heck, maybe we are in agreement on most issues, except the desirability, because we are looking at it from different points of view.</p>
<p>In any case, I&#8217;m not too interested in blowing up Jim&#8217;s comment area either&#8230; <img src='http://www.jimboykin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Jim, I will say that if your crew is as least writing accurate blurbs of whatever size, as I expect will be the case, that will be a huge step up in service compared to the free article repositories out there, or the cheapie article producers, which are set to be the downfall of Google if they don&#8217;t find a way to stop ranking such inaccurate and poorly written material above professionally created content.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Grok</p>
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		<title>By: Abhilash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abhilash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok.  but Jim wouldn't like me blowing up his comments section.  I've personally delivered thousands of such articles and seen it work many, many times.

Notwithstanding, I cited 2 websites that break content down into manageable 300-500 word sections (or landing pages, if you must), and they rank extremely well because the content pages are complementary and (together) become an authority on a given subject.

HowStuffWorks ranks all over the place because of how they break up good content into complementary pieces.  (search for something like "Torque Converters" or "Fog Machines" &#38; see what I mean--300 word pages). About does a similar thing.  

On WMW, Brett keeps a chart of "Theme Pyramids", and when applied to the notion of content, it shows perfectly how different subjects together can be wonderfully fused to create an authority site.

Show ME 3000 words on one subject and I"ll show you a humongous bounce rate. No one will want to read that much at once. And it would cover so much, there would be no way to intelligently rank it for one keyphrase (probably end up on the 2nd page for many keyphrases).

However: intelligent, coherent &#38; even cohesive academic papers are even broken up into sections.  By splitting those "sections" into meaningful pages that help each other constitute an authoritative site, you would make not only a more usable body of information, but also create more real estate for cross-linking &#38; more "landing pages" (fine) that would rank highly in the SERPs &#38; generate more targeted traffic (&#38; conversions). (The Theme Pyramid graphic refers to them as the MONEY pages ;).

Lastly, remember that you don't need to be the Bible on anything--you just need more content than whoever's on top!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok.  but Jim wouldn&#8217;t like me blowing up his comments section.  I&#8217;ve personally delivered thousands of such articles and seen it work many, many times.</p>
<p>Notwithstanding, I cited 2 websites that break content down into manageable 300-500 word sections (or landing pages, if you must), and they rank extremely well because the content pages are complementary and (together) become an authority on a given subject.</p>
<p>HowStuffWorks ranks all over the place because of how they break up good content into complementary pieces.  (search for something like &#8220;Torque Converters&#8221; or &#8220;Fog Machines&#8221; &amp; see what I mean&#8211;300 word pages). About does a similar thing.  </p>
<p>On WMW, Brett keeps a chart of &#8220;Theme Pyramids&#8221;, and when applied to the notion of content, it shows perfectly how different subjects together can be wonderfully fused to create an authority site.</p>
<p>Show ME 3000 words on one subject and I&#8221;ll show you a humongous bounce rate. No one will want to read that much at once. And it would cover so much, there would be no way to intelligently rank it for one keyphrase (probably end up on the 2nd page for many keyphrases).</p>
<p>However: intelligent, coherent &amp; even cohesive academic papers are even broken up into sections.  By splitting those &#8220;sections&#8221; into meaningful pages that help each other constitute an authoritative site, you would make not only a more usable body of information, but also create more real estate for cross-linking &amp; more &#8220;landing pages&#8221; (fine) that would rank highly in the SERPs &amp; generate more targeted traffic (&amp; conversions). (The Theme Pyramid graphic refers to them as the MONEY pages ;).</p>
<p>Lastly, remember that you don&#8217;t need to be the Bible on anything&#8211;you just need more content than whoever&#8217;s on top!</p>
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		<title>By: Grokodile</title>
		<link>http://www.jimboykin.com/seo-content-creation-services-a-ceo-post/#comment-3839</link>
		<dc:creator>Grokodile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abhilash, seriously right back at you... ;)

Find me a web site with 500 word "articles" that provide high quality seriously "informative" content.  At 500 words we're talking landing page material.

Providing real information that is valuable takes space.  You'll want several thousand words and backlinks if you want to help someone educate themselves on something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abhilash, seriously right back at you&#8230; <img src='http://www.jimboykin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Find me a web site with 500 word &#8220;articles&#8221; that provide high quality seriously &#8220;informative&#8221; content.  At 500 words we&#8217;re talking landing page material.</p>
<p>Providing real information that is valuable takes space.  You&#8217;ll want several thousand words and backlinks if you want to help someone educate themselves on something.</p>
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		<title>By: Abhilash</title>
		<link>http://www.jimboykin.com/seo-content-creation-services-a-ceo-post/#comment-3838</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhilash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim!

Now this is something I know a little about. Just a little. this comment turned into a post of it's own... perhaps i'll have to blog this after all...

***

No kidding--a service that actually builds content for people to have on their OWN sites??  I wonder if anyone's ever done that before LOL.

Seriously, Grok, "Honestly, I suspect that search engines are going to find ways to spot this type of material and start to discount it."

I'm sorry but that just doesn't make sense.  If Jim provides people with seriously *informative* content, then why would search engines discount it??  They want relevant, informative results--all WBP would be doing is helping companies provide good information to their users where there was not info previously.  That's a favor to the SE's who rank the pages. CAVEAT: "informative" was the keyphrase--howstuffworks.com &#38; about.com informative, not articleinsider.com informative I'm sorry to say (although we did make some $$ off that for a minute).

Of course, quality here has to be the real idea.  I'm know for a fact that Jim understands the difference between random freelance 300 words &#38; genuinely researched &#38; useful web content.  Outbound authority links are a nice touch, and the link combo is nice...once it's bundled.

Jim, I would encourage you to think about "combo" packages that really show off what your team can do.  In other words, let someone have their 10 pages, but it would have to come with 25-50 mid-quality, deep links with pointed anchor text.  No one has done that yet, and it would really bring a client on board in a whole new way. Pre-Bundle it for the client!

Cost-effective packages of 40-50 pages should really be foreseen, because 15 just isn't enough.  I know you'll provide some real quality, and that should cost, but if you get people to do even 25-30, they'll see much better results.  Ultimately, You'll need to think about larger orders, for sure, especially to e-commerce folks.  Deep links to that end are just what the doc orders. This is going to mean $3k, $5k, $10k &#38; $20k packages, sir.

Lastly, of course your sales page wasn't chock full o' market research! After all, that's just not your style. Frankly, I liked it, because it's always been the way you sell your services.  No frilly language,  just plain english.  That appeals to SEOs, albeit not to the small biz site owner.  But then again, you really dont' want that  business, I promise you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim!</p>
<p>Now this is something I know a little about. Just a little. this comment turned into a post of it&#8217;s own&#8230; perhaps i&#8217;ll have to blog this after all&#8230;</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>No kidding&#8211;a service that actually builds content for people to have on their OWN sites??  I wonder if anyone&#8217;s ever done that before LOL.</p>
<p>Seriously, Grok, &#8220;Honestly, I suspect that search engines are going to find ways to spot this type of material and start to discount it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry but that just doesn&#8217;t make sense.  If Jim provides people with seriously *informative* content, then why would search engines discount it??  They want relevant, informative results&#8211;all WBP would be doing is helping companies provide good information to their users where there was not info previously.  That&#8217;s a favor to the SE&#8217;s who rank the pages. CAVEAT: &#8220;informative&#8221; was the keyphrase&#8211;howstuffworks.com &amp; about.com informative, not articleinsider.com informative I&#8217;m sorry to say (although we did make some $$ off that for a minute).</p>
<p>Of course, quality here has to be the real idea.  I&#8217;m know for a fact that Jim understands the difference between random freelance 300 words &amp; genuinely researched &amp; useful web content.  Outbound authority links are a nice touch, and the link combo is nice&#8230;once it&#8217;s bundled.</p>
<p>Jim, I would encourage you to think about &#8220;combo&#8221; packages that really show off what your team can do.  In other words, let someone have their 10 pages, but it would have to come with 25-50 mid-quality, deep links with pointed anchor text.  No one has done that yet, and it would really bring a client on board in a whole new way. Pre-Bundle it for the client!</p>
<p>Cost-effective packages of 40-50 pages should really be foreseen, because 15 just isn&#8217;t enough.  I know you&#8217;ll provide some real quality, and that should cost, but if you get people to do even 25-30, they&#8217;ll see much better results.  Ultimately, You&#8217;ll need to think about larger orders, for sure, especially to e-commerce folks.  Deep links to that end are just what the doc orders. This is going to mean $3k, $5k, $10k &amp; $20k packages, sir.</p>
<p>Lastly, of course your sales page wasn&#8217;t chock full o&#8217; market research! After all, that&#8217;s just not your style. Frankly, I liked it, because it&#8217;s always been the way you sell your services.  No frilly language,  just plain english.  That appeals to SEOs, albeit not to the small biz site owner.  But then again, you really dont&#8217; want that  business, I promise you.</p>
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		<title>By: kid disco</title>
		<link>http://www.jimboykin.com/seo-content-creation-services-a-ceo-post/#comment-3835</link>
		<dc:creator>kid disco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, have you thought about doing an affiliate program for WBP's services?  I can think of a lot of peeps to refer to you guys... :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, have you thought about doing an affiliate program for WBP&#8217;s services?  I can think of a lot of peeps to refer to you guys&#8230; <img src='http://www.jimboykin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: MichaelP</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grokodile.com 
"I look at this as a simple article writing service with a fancy title and a higher cost. You absolutely have to do something to establish the value of what you provide as compared to articles in general..."

That is what I was thinking.  Anyone can hire a writer for $10 to $20 an article. That is what most "simple article writing" services are charging. What is the added value?

http://www.webuildpages.com/seo-content.htm
"$100/Page - Researched and Referenced Pages
Consists of 500+ words with 30 minutes of research per page"

An article at that price requires more than 30 minutes of research.

Jim, can you post some samples for us to better understand the quality and the value you are adding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grokodile.com<br />
&#8220;I look at this as a simple article writing service with a fancy title and a higher cost. You absolutely have to do something to establish the value of what you provide as compared to articles in general&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That is what I was thinking.  Anyone can hire a writer for $10 to $20 an article. That is what most &#8220;simple article writing&#8221; services are charging. What is the added value?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.webuildpages.com/seo-content.htm" rel="nofollow nofollow">http://www.webuildpages.com/seo-content.htm</a><br />
&#8220;$100/Page - Researched and Referenced Pages<br />
Consists of 500+ words with 30 minutes of research per page&#8221;</p>
<p>An article at that price requires more than 30 minutes of research.</p>
<p>Jim, can you post some samples for us to better understand the quality and the value you are adding?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.jimboykin.com/seo-content-creation-services-a-ceo-post/#comment-3833</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've contracted content writers before and i've never really been pleased. I think it may have to do with the pricing... geting an aritcle for $10 i've realized is not worth it. i've actually pulled most of the articles beacause the content plain sucks and just used them as place holders until I wrote my own. The writer maybe spent 30 min researching the topic and you could really tell they didn't know much about it. I honestly feel that the average person would need at least a few weeks of on and off industry research to get a good grasp of it and to pull out a quality article. 

Anyways, if this is what Jim's writers can do then I say the price is very fare...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve contracted content writers before and i&#8217;ve never really been pleased. I think it may have to do with the pricing&#8230; geting an aritcle for $10 i&#8217;ve realized is not worth it. i&#8217;ve actually pulled most of the articles beacause the content plain sucks and just used them as place holders until I wrote my own. The writer maybe spent 30 min researching the topic and you could really tell they didn&#8217;t know much about it. I honestly feel that the average person would need at least a few weeks of on and off industry research to get a good grasp of it and to pull out a quality article. </p>
<p>Anyways, if this is what Jim&#8217;s writers can do then I say the price is very fare&#8230;</p>
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