Comments on: Ripping into Google’s Information for Webmasters. http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/ Internet Marketing, SEO, and Link Building. Wed, 21 May 2008 23:22:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Lee Odden http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-626 Lee Odden Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:58:16 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-626 Jim, I just found this post from Todd's blog. Well said! Jim, I just found this post from Todd’s blog. Well said!

]]> By: » Under Manual Review: Editorial Control and the Search Engines - Stuntdubl - SEO Consultant http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-554 » Under Manual Review: Editorial Control and the Search Engines - Stuntdubl - SEO Consultant Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:35:21 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-554 [...] I am constantly baffled by Google’s insistence that there is such a low level of human discretion and editorial control in their organic search result determination. Isn’t the decision to leave editorial control up to a silicon based form of intelligence even SOME level of editorial control to begin with? Determining which forms of user data from the toolbar and other sources must certainly qualify as a certain level of editorial control based on human bias. There is nothing inherently wrong with human bias, and it becomes less of a bias if the views and decisions are directly expressed. I think Yahoo is a bit more open about their level of editorial control, but not really much. I really hope that the transparency of these decisions improves with both engines over time. Insight to this process would help to MEET those guidelines and stay within less ambiguous confines of the terms of service. [...] [...] I am constantly baffled by Google’s insistence that there is such a low level of human discretion and editorial control in their organic search result determination. Isn’t the decision to leave editorial control up to a silicon based form of intelligence even SOME level of editorial control to begin with? Determining which forms of user data from the toolbar and other sources must certainly qualify as a certain level of editorial control based on human bias. There is nothing inherently wrong with human bias, and it becomes less of a bias if the views and decisions are directly expressed. I think Yahoo is a bit more open about their level of editorial control, but not really much. I really hope that the transparency of these decisions improves with both engines over time. Insight to this process would help to MEET those guidelines and stay within less ambiguous confines of the terms of service. [...]

]]> By: Aaron Pratt http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-390 Aaron Pratt Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:23:04 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-390 I don't want to put fuel on the fire but I believe they should just have a few words about SEO companies in their guidelines. SEO Companies [seo companies]Only 1-2% are any good so be careful![/seo companies] Might as well be honest, I agree. I don’t want to put fuel on the fire but I believe they should just have a few words about SEO companies in their guidelines.

SEO Companies

[seo companies]Only 1-2% are any good so be careful![/seo companies]

Might as well be honest, I agree.

]]> By: Jim http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-389 Jim Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:56:06 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-389 Jill - you're totally right about different ways to skin the SEO cat....any maybe I'm wrong on the writing content part....we approach SEO from different angles, I've read your books and newsletters and forum and I can totally see that what you're doing works great (how can I argue with someone who's #3 in Google for "search engine optimization"?) I approach SEO from the "link angle", you from the "content writing angle". (and you're one of the best at the "content angle") I agree that SEO's should work on content, or should I say, Optimizing content, or helping the client to writing content. perhaps I was wrong to imply that SEO's shouldn't be writing content. Jill - you’re totally right about different ways to skin the SEO cat….any maybe I’m wrong on the writing content part….we approach SEO from different angles, I’ve read your books and newsletters and forum and I can totally see that what you’re doing works great (how can I argue with someone who’s #3 in Google for “search engine optimization”?)

I approach SEO from the “link angle”, you from the “content writing angle”. (and you’re one of the best at the “content angle”)

I agree that SEO’s should work on content, or should I say, Optimizing content, or helping the client to writing content.

perhaps I was wrong to imply that SEO’s shouldn’t be writing content.

]]> By: Jill http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-387 Jill Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:28:07 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-387 [quote]to me that’s the biggest job of an SEO[/quote] Different strokes for different folks, Jim. You must know by now that there are many different ways of skinning the SEO cat! :) [quote]to me that’s the biggest job of an SEO[/quote]

Different strokes for different folks, Jim. You must know by now that there are many different ways of skinning the SEO cat! :)

]]> By: Jim http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-384 Jim Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:34:57 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-384 I should add that I'm totally suprised (well, not really) that "getting links" isn't mentioned...to me that's the biggest job of an SEO. I should add that I’m totally suprised (well, not really) that “getting links” isn’t mentioned…to me that’s the biggest job of an SEO.

]]> By: Jim http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-383 Jim Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:33:56 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-383 actually we work with about 26 writers... I was just suprised that Google was saying that "writing copy" was part of the "SEO's" job. actually we work with about 26 writers… I was just suprised that Google was saying that “writing copy” was part of the “SEO’s” job.

]]> By: Jill http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-382 Jill Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:26:45 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-382 [quote]hum….seo’s write copy?….maybe, but isn’t the best copy written by site owners who know the topic…not the SEO?….do SEO’s really write copy?…that’s advisable for an SEO?? writing copy for clients websites? Really?[/quote] Jim, you are correct that SEOs should not be the ones writing copy. But neither should clients unless they are a copywriter, or have a copywriter on staff. Copy should only be written by professional copywriters. Period. But any good SEO worth their salt should have a professional copywriter (or two or three) on staff or on call if they outsource. [quote]hum….seo’s write copy?….maybe, but isn’t the best copy written by site owners who know the topic…not the SEO?….do SEO’s really write copy?…that’s advisable for an SEO?? writing copy for clients websites? Really?[/quote]

Jim, you are correct that SEOs should not be the ones writing copy. But neither should clients unless they are a copywriter, or have a copywriter on staff.

Copy should only be written by professional copywriters. Period. But any good SEO worth their salt should have a professional copywriter (or two or three) on staff or on call if they outsource.

]]> By: Brian’s Blog » Misleading Google Webmaster Guidelines http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-381 Brian’s Blog » Misleading Google Webmaster Guidelines Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:39:20 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-381 [...] Google has updated it’s Webmaster guidelines. [...] [...] Google has updated it’s Webmaster guidelines. [...]

]]> By: randfish http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-380 randfish Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:43:33 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/ripping-into-googles-information-for-webmasters/#comment-380 Yeah, that last one is especially egregious - dictating hypocritical business practices leaves a very bad taste in one's mouth. Yeah, that last one is especially egregious - dictating hypocritical business practices leaves a very bad taste in one’s mouth.

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