Comments on: Important: Know a site built with Microsoft Frontpage? http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/ Internet Marketing, SEO, and Link Building. Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:09:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Michael http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-14108 Michael Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:57:20 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-14108 I have been using Front Page for aprox. 10 years. I continued to update to the newest versions over the years. I am beyond upset with Microsoft for stopping front page. They should have made a transition software that was similar but removed the extensions. Making the jump to impressions web is way too extreme. I bought that software immediately after I found out they were eliminating FP, but I have not touched it because it scares me.. To complicated for my small mind. I have developed a huge site over ten years at ApparelSearch.com and I do not know which aspects will fall apart. I know the submission forms want work if my host cuts off the extensions. Anyway, I wish Microsoft would change their mind. I am going to give dream weaver a try. I have been using Front Page for aprox. 10 years. I continued to update to the newest versions over the years. I am beyond upset with Microsoft for stopping front page. They should have made a transition software that was similar but removed the extensions. Making the jump to impressions web is way too extreme. I bought that software immediately after I found out they were eliminating FP, but I have not touched it because it scares me.. To complicated for my small mind. I have developed a huge site over ten years at ApparelSearch.com and I do not know which aspects will fall apart. I know the submission forms want work if my host cuts off the extensions. Anyway, I wish Microsoft would change their mind. I am going to give dream weaver a try.

]]> By: Rick Van Krugel http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-14102 Rick Van Krugel Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:35:03 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-14102 I had never built a website before, and I used FrontPage because it came with my computer. I learned what I could from a FrontPage tutorial in which the user makes a little Y2K celebration site, then built the site I was planning and published it from the FrontPage program. The website, www.mandolirium.com, represents a band I had, and was constructed to advertise our performances and sell our CD's, and I've left it up to sell albums until they're gone. I have not built a website since, and suspect I am about to do it again with the same program, which is what landed me here; I was looking something up about the program on Google. because I was looking up something about FrontPage before trying it again. At the time I made the site I was told by a geeky friend to install Opera as an alternate browser, then test the site on both Opera and IE browsers to make sure it all worked OK, which it did. When this old Win98SE computer's hard drive literally blew up at 1.5 years of age, that was the end of the archived website on the computer, so I have done text and/or photo edits on occasion, usually with html in plain text on Notepad. So...if somebody's truly curious to see a site built in its entirety by a novice using FrontPage (from Office 2000). We seem to be at ease with what we know; I've been given an old copy of DW, and it looks totally confusing to me by comparison! Hope this helps somebody - or at least sells a Mandolirium CD! I had never built a website before, and I used FrontPage because it came with my computer. I learned what I could from a FrontPage tutorial in which the user makes a little Y2K celebration site, then built the site I was planning and published it from the FrontPage program. The website, http://www.mandolirium.com, represents a band I had, and was constructed to advertise our performances and sell our CD’s, and I’ve left it up to sell albums until they’re gone. I have not built a website since, and suspect I am about to do it again with the same program, which is what landed me here; I was looking something up about the program on Google. because I was looking up something about FrontPage before trying it again. At the time I made the site I was told by a geeky friend to install Opera as an alternate browser, then test the site on both Opera and IE browsers to make sure it all worked OK, which it did. When this old Win98SE computer’s hard drive literally blew up at 1.5 years of age, that was the end of the archived website on the computer, so I have done text and/or photo edits on occasion, usually with html in plain text on Notepad. So…if somebody’s truly curious to see a site built in its entirety by a novice using FrontPage (from Office 2000). We seem to be at ease with what we know; I’ve been given an old copy of DW, and it looks totally confusing to me by comparison! Hope this helps somebody - or at least sells a Mandolirium CD!

]]> By: Microsoft Front Page Tips http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-10191 Microsoft Front Page Tips Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:11:08 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-10191 Well I did use Microsoft Front Page 2003 for about 2 years and I decide to stop using him and now I am using Macromedia Dreamweaver. This is much better software, I can't that Front Page is not but I could not use much more staff which I can use inside Dreamweaver. Well I did use Microsoft Front Page 2003 for about 2 years and I decide to stop using him and now I am using Macromedia Dreamweaver. This is much better software, I can’t that Front Page is not but I could not use much more staff which I can use inside Dreamweaver.

]]> By: spiderwebwoman : Attn: Gemstream Hosting – FrontPage is not at "End-of-Life" http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8597 spiderwebwoman : Attn: Gemstream Hosting – FrontPage is not at "End-of-Life" Fri, 08 Dec 2006 14:32:21 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8597 [...] our sites running on Windows Server 2003. Share this post: email it! | bookmark it! | digg it! | live it! Posted: Friday, December 08, 2006 2:26 PM by spider Filed under: Microsoft,FrontPage [...] [...] our sites running on Windows Server 2003. Share this post: email it! | bookmark it! | digg it! | live it! Posted: Friday, December 08, 2006 2:26 PM by spider Filed under: Microsoft,FrontPage [...]

]]> By: » FrontPage and the New Microsoft - Internet Marketing and Optimization http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8099 » FrontPage and the New Microsoft - Internet Marketing and Optimization Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:04:35 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8099 [...] A short while ago there was some discussion about FrontPage extensions and the fact that a major hosting provider would be dropping their support for them at the end of the year. I spoke to a developer at Microsoft and asked him about this. This is what he said I could quote: [...] [...] A short while ago there was some discussion about FrontPage extensions and the fact that a major hosting provider would be dropping their support for them at the end of the year. I spoke to a developer at Microsoft and asked him about this. This is what he said I could quote: [...]

]]> By: Mike http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8057 Mike Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:26:21 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8057 I've used FP2K for years - FP98 before that. I too tire of the FrontPage bashing but figure it's done for the same reasons people bash Micro$oft. I've gotten to where I just ignore it and go on. Rarely do I use the WYSIWYG aspect any more, but I used to. Now FP is more of an organizational too for me and an easy way to publish - some sites via HTTP to the FP Server Extensions - others using FTP (like to my local LAMP server which doesn't have the FPSE installed.) One thing in FP that I have always made use of is the Include file thing to handle common areas of a page. I have a couple of sites that FP2K will not correctly handle XHTML - any tags that are part of an include are erroneously included with a width="" height="" attribute that is not valid in XHTML. No surprise there as FP2K was not designed to handle XHTML - only HTML 4.01. With all that said, I am currently using the 30 day trial of DW8 - so far so good. The conversions are tedious - first having to make a Library file, then edit each and every page and convert the <!--webbot bot="Include" ... --> sections to DW Library assets. I will look into the FP converions utility you referenced and see if that helps. Looks like it may only remove the webbot references, but not allow me to replace them with a library reference. Anyway - thanks Jim - found you through Google - Google is my friend. I’ve used FP2K for years - FP98 before that. I too tire of the FrontPage bashing but figure it’s done for the same reasons people bash Micro$oft. I’ve gotten to where I just ignore it and go on.

Rarely do I use the WYSIWYG aspect any more, but I used to. Now FP is more of an organizational too for me and an easy way to publish - some sites via HTTP to the FP Server Extensions - others using FTP (like to my local LAMP server which doesn’t have the FPSE installed.)

One thing in FP that I have always made use of is the Include file thing to handle common areas of a page. I have a couple of sites that FP2K will not correctly handle XHTML - any tags that are part of an include are erroneously included with a width=”" height=”" attribute that is not valid in XHTML. No surprise there as FP2K was not designed to handle XHTML - only HTML 4.01.

With all that said, I am currently using the 30 day trial of DW8 - so far so good. The conversions are tedious - first having to make a Library file, then edit each and every page and convert the sections to DW Library assets.

I will look into the FP converions utility you referenced and see if that helps. Looks like it may only remove the webbot references, but not allow me to replace them with a library reference.

Anyway - thanks Jim - found you through Google - Google is my friend.

]]> By: Jon http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8049 Jon Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:46:00 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8049 Come on Jim! I know the obvious :) I use DW alot. Let me restate: FrontPage has a feature that allows someone who is not a programmer to build websites that are database-driven. Thus, I could have an Access or other more robust product database with 50,000 products in it and I could create one product display page template in FP. Then, using the "Database Results Wizard" and "Database Interface Wizard" in FrontPage I can have my own content management system for editing those 50,000 products directly via the website. To throw SEO into this, think 50,000 "pages" instead of products. You can create some pretty cool database-driven dynamic websites without really being a programmer. Sure the programmers will laugh at how they aren't as cool as their sites, but you can do some pretty cool stuff pretty quickly. Lots of pages each with unique content means lots of pages to attract traffic. An example of a dynamic website that a fool with no programming abilities can make with FrontPage: http://www.local-attorneys.com/practice.asp?law=Personal%20Injury http://www.local-attorneys.com/practice.asp?law=Bankruptcy Notice there is one "practice.asp" template page. Then the "law=____" inserts the corresponding content to that page. Also notice that AdSense is smart enough to customize itself to each page. Database-driven sites expand the reach of landing pages for SEO far further than static sites. Does DreamWeaver have a tool that can make a fool like me a substitute programmer like this? Come on Jim! I know the obvious :)

I use DW alot. Let me restate:

FrontPage has a feature that allows someone who is not a programmer to build websites that are database-driven. Thus, I could have an Access or other more robust product database with 50,000 products in it and I could create one product display page template in FP. Then, using the “Database Results Wizard” and “Database Interface Wizard” in FrontPage I can have my own content management system for editing those 50,000 products directly via the website.

To throw SEO into this, think 50,000 “pages” instead of products. You can create some pretty cool database-driven dynamic websites without really being a programmer. Sure the programmers will laugh at how they aren’t as cool as their sites, but you can do some pretty cool stuff pretty quickly.

Lots of pages each with unique content means lots of pages to attract traffic. An example of a dynamic website that a fool with no programming abilities can make with FrontPage:

http://www.local-attorneys.com/practice.asp?law=Personal%20Injury

http://www.local-attorneys.com/practice.asp?law=Bankruptcy

Notice there is one “practice.asp” template page. Then the “law=____” inserts the corresponding content to that page. Also notice that AdSense is smart enough to customize itself to each page.

Database-driven sites expand the reach of landing pages for SEO far further than static sites. Does DreamWeaver have a tool that can make a fool like me a substitute programmer like this?

]]> By: Jim Boykin http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8048 Jim Boykin Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:37:25 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8048 Jon, DW does have WYSIWYG editing...but I'm only a novice at DW.... I'm a much better SEOer than designer ;) Jon,
DW does have WYSIWYG editing…but I’m only a novice at DW….
I’m a much better SEOer than designer ;)

]]> By: Jon Payne http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8047 Jon Payne Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:30:33 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8047 Hi Jim, Approved your comment and deleted the 12 million spam comments. Thank God for decent comment spam filters. Follow-up: I've been using FP for a good 5 years, and DW for only like 3 years. I know FP better, and really the key thing I like is their Database Results Wizard and suite of DB interface tools. It allows a guy who's not much of a programmer (me, for instance) to build some dynamic sites. To your knowledge, does DW have anything like this? Wizards or WYSIWYG interface to handle basic dynamic site programming-type activities? Hi Jim,

Approved your comment and deleted the 12 million spam comments. Thank God for decent comment spam filters.

Follow-up:

I’ve been using FP for a good 5 years, and DW for only like 3 years. I know FP better, and really the key thing I like is their Database Results Wizard and suite of DB interface tools. It allows a guy who’s not much of a programmer (me, for instance) to build some dynamic sites. To your knowledge, does DW have anything like this? Wizards or WYSIWYG interface to handle basic dynamic site programming-type activities?

]]> By: Jim Boykin http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8011 Jim Boykin Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:08:04 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/important-know-a-site-built-with-microsoft-frontpage/#comment-8011 John, I just published on your blog seeing the trackback....to the readers here.....I'll let everyone in on a little secret.....I use frontpage daily (gasp)....my designers won't touch it...but I use it for its easy of creating thing quickly online...and all my link team members (~15) do all our monthly client reporting using frontpage, my office manager uses frontpage for publishing items for our team and for writers. Almost everyone at webuildpages uses frontpage on a daily basis...except my designers (3). I agree with your rant totally....and guilty in that I kicked it, and I use it too. It's all in fun. Any other closet frontpage users that will admit it out there? (guessing not). John, I just published on your blog seeing the trackback….to the readers here…..I’ll let everyone in on a little secret…..I use frontpage daily (gasp)….my designers won’t touch it…but I use it for its easy of creating thing quickly online…and all my link team members (~15) do all our monthly client reporting using frontpage, my office manager uses frontpage for publishing items for our team and for writers. Almost everyone at webuildpages uses frontpage on a daily basis…except my designers (3).

I agree with your rant totally….and guilty in that I kicked it, and I use it too. It’s all in fun.

Any other closet frontpage users that will admit it out there?
(guessing not).

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