Comments on: Blog Spam part 2 - The Nofollow, friend or enemy? http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/ Internet Marketing, SEO, and Link Building. Sat, 10 May 2008 18:04:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Nick Garner http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-26579 Nick Garner Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:44:03 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-26579 I know this comment is on a 2 year post, but anyway. I meant to go into to this question much harder with Mr Cutts at Pubcon, (I wanted to push him to see if he gave any 'body language clues' away) but I got side tracked. Although he did say no follow was totally locked down... BUT if no follow is everywhere including some of the most heavily policed sites on the internet (wikipedia) and if links are a core signal, then whats in it for google to ignore no follow links 100% of the time? after all if a site is an authority site and its human moderated, then surely google needs this signal information? I know this comment is on a 2 year post, but anyway.

I meant to go into to this question much harder with Mr Cutts at Pubcon, (I wanted to push him to see if he gave any ‘body language clues’ away) but I got side tracked. Although he did say no follow was totally locked down…

BUT if no follow is everywhere including some of the most heavily policed sites on the internet (wikipedia) and if links are a core signal, then whats in it for google to ignore no follow links 100% of the time?
after all if a site is an authority site and its human moderated, then surely google needs this signal information?

]]> By: Demonz Web http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-24981 Demonz Web Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:10:30 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-24981 Also, in regards to the Matt Cutts thing, I think it's half truth half white lie. I will give you a practical example. A competitor company of "my friend's" company bought what I thought was pretty clearly a paid link. The competitor has probably had this paid link for quite some time, and it shows up in their Google and Yahoo 'everyone backlinks' (as opposed to their webmaster backlinks). My friend's company bought a link on the same site, virtually identical position, but months and months later no result. My conclusion is paid links can eventually earn TrustRank, but not for a long time AND this long time is the time it takes for the listing site to become a plethora of paid spam links, meaning the TrustRank period grows exponentially. This is just my opinin, but it is what I have experienced - "my friend" has experienced this pattern more than once. Just on Matt Cutts, I think he may bend the truth sometimes. Listen to Jim here and Aaron Wall, as I think these guys tend to 'explain' more than they 'tell', and it's the fine-print in SEO that makes the difference. Also, in regards to the Matt Cutts thing, I think it’s half truth half white lie. I will give you a practical example.

A competitor company of “my friend’s” company bought what I thought was pretty clearly a paid link. The competitor has probably had this paid link for quite some time, and it shows up in their Google and Yahoo ‘everyone backlinks’ (as opposed to their webmaster backlinks). My friend’s company bought a link on the same site, virtually identical position, but months and months later no result.

My conclusion is paid links can eventually earn TrustRank, but not for a long time AND this long time is the time it takes for the listing site to become a plethora of paid spam links, meaning the TrustRank period grows exponentially. This is just my opinin, but it is what I have experienced - “my friend” has experienced this pattern more than once.

Just on Matt Cutts, I think he may bend the truth sometimes. Listen to Jim here and Aaron Wall, as I think these guys tend to ‘explain’ more than they ‘tell’, and it’s the fine-print in SEO that makes the difference.

]]> By: Jim Boykin http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-24261 Jim Boykin Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:24:58 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-24261 Demonz, only for a 2 day period, then the no-follows go away...that buys me time to moderate for any spam. Demonz, only for a 2 day period, then the no-follows go away…that buys me time to moderate for any spam.

]]> By: Demonz Web http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-24254 Demonz Web Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:07:56 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-24254 Just thought I would point out that there are no-follow tags on this blog :( Just thought I would point out that there are no-follow tags on this blog :(

]]> By: Demonz Web http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-24252 Demonz Web Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:02:22 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-24252 If you don't expect your readers to post quality content and you're not prepared to moderate you comments why have comments on your blog? If you don’t expect your readers to post quality content and you’re not prepared to moderate you comments why have comments on your blog?

]]> By: Tony Hill’s Blog » Blog Archive » SEO - It’s not a game anymore, it’s a battle http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-1551 Tony Hill’s Blog » Blog Archive » SEO - It’s not a game anymore, it’s a battle Mon, 03 Apr 2006 00:11:37 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-1551 [...] It’s hard to rank on Google these days. What does it take? A lot of SEO’s still seem to buy text links, but Matt Cutts says he can detect that - but Jim says it still works. I guess he’s got a few good tools to do so. I supposed he could if it was a huge network such as local news stations and some Edu’s (if you haven’t noticed theses). Links from directories (articles and links) won’t get you too far… as noted by Aaron. So really, what does it take to rank on Google? I think you literally have to Digg your way out of the sandbox. Submit a press release and hopefully a great article that people will want to link to. Make a tool… do something. Gone are the days of just throwing up a site and doing some link exchanges to get it ranking #1 next week. Sometimes your topic or site may be to boring to draw that type of attention, sometimes your audience just isn’t that big. So how to small niche sites get traffic? Well local sites are easy… but i’m talking about the small niche sites that arn’t necessarily local. I wish I had an answer.. i’m still working on this one. I’m just going to keep reading blogs and forums and maybe one day I will find the answer. Sorry to dissapoint anyone, just being honest… [...] [...] It’s hard to rank on Google these days. What does it take? A lot of SEO’s still seem to buy text links, but Matt Cutts says he can detect that - but Jim says it still works. I guess he’s got a few good tools to do so. I supposed he could if it was a huge network such as local news stations and some Edu’s (if you haven’t noticed theses). Links from directories (articles and links) won’t get you too far… as noted by Aaron. So really, what does it take to rank on Google? I think you literally have to Digg your way out of the sandbox. Submit a press release and hopefully a great article that people will want to link to. Make a tool… do something. Gone are the days of just throwing up a site and doing some link exchanges to get it ranking #1 next week. Sometimes your topic or site may be to boring to draw that type of attention, sometimes your audience just isn’t that big. So how to small niche sites get traffic? Well local sites are easy… but i’m talking about the small niche sites that arn’t necessarily local. I wish I had an answer.. i’m still working on this one. I’m just going to keep reading blogs and forums and maybe one day I will find the answer. Sorry to dissapoint anyone, just being honest… [...]

]]> By: Lynn S http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-1405 Lynn S Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:00:53 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-1405 A lot of people are talking about this wonderful nofollow tag but nobody tells you how to use it. Apparently some blogs do it automatically. B2 doesn't. I literally get hundreds of spam comments a day. I can't go through and add nofollow to each spam link. A lot of people are talking about this wonderful nofollow tag but nobody tells you how to use it. Apparently some blogs do it automatically. B2 doesn’t. I literally get hundreds of spam comments a day. I can’t go through and add nofollow to each spam link.

]]> By: Paul http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-1311 Paul Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:12:18 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-1311 Personally I prefer commenting on blogs without the no follow attribute, there are only so many comments I can make in a day and if I'm posting a genuine heart felt comment, I prefer to make that investment of time worth while. Personally I prefer commenting on blogs without the no follow attribute, there are only so many comments I can make in a day and if I’m posting a genuine heart felt comment, I prefer to make that investment of time worth while.

]]> By: Ian http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-535 Ian Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:34:12 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-535 I think the default on some of the blog software is nofollow for people you don't know, and not to put it in for registered users known by the blog owner. I think the default on some of the blog software is nofollow for people you don’t know, and not to put it in for registered users known by the blog owner.

]]> By: Jim Boykin’s Internet Marketing Blog » Blog Archive » Giving the boot to the nofollow. http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-516 Jim Boykin’s Internet Marketing Blog » Blog Archive » Giving the boot to the nofollow. Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:38:14 +0000 http://www.jimboykin.com/blog-spam-part-2-the-nofollow-friend-or-enemy/#comment-516 [...] After my post on Blog Spam part 2 - The Nofollow, friend or enemy? I’ve decided that the nofollow is no friend of mine. [...] [...] After my post on Blog Spam part 2 - The Nofollow, friend or enemy? I’ve decided that the nofollow is no friend of mine. [...]

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